DrRocket ([info]drrocketanski) wrote,
@ 2009-01-15 16:24:00
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A determined bachelor's motto (if I might be so audacious)

"I have, I believe, the courage to doubt everything; I have, I believe, the courage to fight against everything; but I do not have the courage to acknowledge anything, the courage to possess, to own, anything."

The voice of A in Either/Or (Kierkegaard)

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[info]geektown
2009-01-16 08:09 am UTC (link)
I would say that is the claim of a determined married man, but I'm a determined bachelor. So what do I know?

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[info]madenu777
2009-01-16 03:22 pm UTC (link)
Smirk at geektowns response, i dont know you but oh man do i like you...lol.

/^bump <-for travis everytime he thinks of getting snarky.

On a side note and beaing more agreeable...

possesion and ownership is easy, i believe most people want to be owned...i dont mean with a P.

It is easy to give yourself up entirely to someone, and follow.

Since I am not Jesus ( pretty damn close though) it is difficult to take on a child as a wifey and not an equal, who gives part of herself, in bits and pieces, through trust, and time spent together. (dont even start with "thats how it is" cause its not) the second you approach someone and their lives are..laid bare...its kinda anti climactic. "I thought this would come out much later on" Now let me really "prove" your point. If i am some naive, really hot and sexy, but naive, in believing that there has to be something i find of worth in someone (even if there is but im just being a blind idiot), i will gladly became the old weird guy that never married(of course that would suck). Though i dont think that will be my case...im sorry i need someone who is alive, who is aware, i dont need a penis sheathe only, if that were the case...why the hell should i not be fucking like a bunny rabbit? Cause im telling you i could pwn(yes that was with a P) them up and down and all around...i could really posses them deeply, down to the soul...until then ...bachelor!..fuck yeah!

I really wanted to reply with an mmyes comment filled with, unquestionable points, but you bring such 'happy' thoughts to me that i couldnt help... :)

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[info]drrocketanski
2009-01-16 07:08 pm UTC (link)
You (plural) misunderstand. It is impossible to have an equal if you do not own anything. Acquiring the presence of an equal will never happen if you do not allow yourself to possess a place so as to have someone be able to stand before you. Without a place, you can make others angels or idiots, goddesses or assholes, but they will never stand with you. You are not standing anywhere. tohu wavohu.

It seems that you (singular?) are courageous in fighting (the idiots/assholes) and even in worshipping (the angels/goddesses), but that isn't courage because you can't really be touched. The fighting hints at a direction where you are (to give a mundane example: I am less liberal than that politician; more liberal than that other), but you have no set place to stand. You don't reveal yourself. You are not present (despite your claims: seeing someone else does not mean that you have allowed yourself to be seen), and so who can be present to you?

And the possession you speak of in the last line of your big paragraph is not the possession I'm referring to. You are speaking of fighting and overcoming, not owning someone (the author and I are using "possess" and "own" in a positive sense of being responsible for, guarding, being known as connected with). I'm deeply and richly impressed by the possibility of such cuniculus-comparable coitus, but your expression of these "happy thoughts" is simply another example of fighting and not owning.

But remain comfortable, swing wildly, blown here and there by the wind, don't touch the ground except for a moment to tell those who risk the wounds of presence (though, admittedly, rarely knowing what they seek) that they can never be there for you (where would they go to find you?).

Or maybe I'm just trying to break your branch.

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[info]madenu777
2009-01-16 08:25 pm UTC (link)
Im making a face and hand gesture at you over and over again.

"But remain comfortable, swing wildly, blown here and there by the wind, don't touch the ground except for a moment to tell those who risk the wounds of presence (though, admittedly, rarely knowing what they seek) that they can never be there for you (where would they go to find you"

Thats the perfect most protected reason never to do anything for anyone.

Have you ever felt someone reach you in your high and lofty places? When it should have been in your power to deny them, yet there they are?

Have you have reached someone in their high and lofty places? When it was in your rights to forget about them, yet there you are?

yes to any of those is why im not really stressed when it comes to specifically ..being married.

sry you bring out the emo in me.

I think most of whatever else i need to say needs to wait for another day :)
Im going to downtown to try an be present.

soon i wont need the branch remember :)

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[info]drrocketanski
2009-01-16 09:26 pm UTC (link)
High and lofty places? You referring to God? Don't know anyone else who belongs there. These are imaginary realms that those who refuse to mark out territory on the ground create for themselves (above all of "those people") or for those they admire.

"yes to any of those is why im not really stressed..." Then we agree.

I don't give a crap about your stress level, that has nothing to do with it. And marriage-bachelorness - these are only (in this case, fairly revealing) symptoms, not the disease. Don't "analytic philosopher" me and focus on things you know I'm not saying.

Presence? Or being a peeping-tom, a voyeur, perhaps even...peeking?

Or maybe you are present, but, barring a small few, just to those to whom you'll never be obligated. We men do love our one night stands. Not admirable, but at least you're standing somewhere...

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[info]geektown
2009-01-18 06:51 pm UTC (link)
To be honest and fair, fair and honest, I can't comment any more than I already have because I think the point you're making initially is a bit nebulous and in-your-own-head. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, but it does seem like whatever I might say, you'll say I misunderstood. Which is fair; chances are I did, but I don't have a lot to go on.

Suffice to say, I've seen more marriages and relationships based on fear and cowardice than I've seen people basing being single on the same. But maybe that's not your point.

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[info]drrocketanski
2009-01-19 08:28 pm UTC (link)
You're right, more marriages and relationships are based on fear and cowardice. But some who continue alone, specifically those who do so determinedly, are guilty of the same.

But, yeah, it was nebulous. And that was purposeful, because my thoughts were somewhat nebulous (or, maybe, so specific that I couldn't really communicate what I was thinking...), and to see what kind of response might come out of it. (So, maybe to say you misunderstood was inappropriate...maybe it was something more like "you didn't read my mind in a coherent way").

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[info]geektown
2009-01-19 09:20 pm UTC (link)
I've been guilty of it. I even wrote a post about it, way back in the day. I'll say now that I'm a semi-determined bachelor, in the sense that I'm very happy being single, I prefer it, have little interest in marriage, but I'm also completely open to the idea that my mind could change. I'm willing to go the other way, but if that doesn't happen...eh. I'm not worried about it.

I got the sense that you were writing something that was in your mind and very specific to you. I didn't mean that to be critical, just that I think the discussion would be interesting if you could, you know, get the point of it into my head. :)

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